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The death of the comedian

There are no comedians anymore, tv and pc killed them all.

Television and Political Correctness that is.

Television killed the comedian because the comedian makes his living from standing in front of a small live audience in a venue somewhere where they have paid to watch him, and he tells them a succession of often unrelated and very short tales that have a funny ending, here is an example…

A man goes into a Hardware shop,
“I’ll have a bag of nails please” he says
“Yes Sir, how long would you like them ?” the man behind the counter asks
“I’d like to keep them”

Ken Goodwin told that joke on The Comedians, a weekly prime time tv slot in the early 1970′s, I thought it was the funniest joke ever when he told it and I laughed and I laughed at his comic genius until I cried with laughter, yes it really was that funny.

And then the next day I went to school and I told all of my friends the joke and they all said “It was funny when Ken Goodwin told it last night on The Comedians” and none of them laughed when I told the funniest joke in the world.

Worse than that, Ken Goodwin couldn’t tell the joke anymore either, wherever he went to earn his living after he had been on the tv his audience wanted him to tell them jokes that they hadn’t heard on the tv so when he told them the bag of nails joke they’d boo and shout at him to tell them one they hadn’t heard before – an almost impossible task.

Would an audience in a theatre boo Pavarotti when he sang “Nessum Dorma” and shout at him to sing one they haven’t heard before ?

Yes I know he’s dead, but still.

So tv killed the comedian.

Political Correctness also killed the comedian, just ask Bernard Manning…

“Whats the difference between an Iraqi woman and a pilchard ?
One’s ugly and greasy with bulging eyes and the other’s a fish”

You see, its just not funny anymore to tell jokes about ethnicity, disablement, sex, or anything else that may make the subject of the joke feel bad about themselves and given that that just about kills any form of joke whatsoever, it explains why you no longer see stand-up comedians on tv anymore, paradoxically this single action has brought about a revival in the art of the “small club” stand-up comedian and all over the land now you have to pay upwards of £20 to get into small clubs where two or three stand-up comedians will ply their trade in your face, stand-up comedy has gone underground into “Comedy Clubs” and you now pay dearly for your laughs.

So when a 13 year old boy named Charlie Wernham appears on “Britains Got Talent” and proclaims himself to be a comedian in the old fashioned stand-up stylee then you know you’re in for a toe-curling two minutes, and indeed the act was toe-curling, it was awful.

Lets be fair – when your children come home from school with the funniest joke that they’ve ever heard you are going to stand there and listen to it and then roar with laughter even when its actually not a joke at all, even when it contains not one shred of humour, because its your kids and you’re not going to tell them that they are not funny, it’ll ruin their confidence for life if you did that and when you’re dead and they are speaking of you at your funeral they’ll tell everyone that you once told them that they were not funny, well you old bastard we’ll see who’s not funny now, they’ll say,  as they set fire to your coffin.

Charlie Wernham told jokes that were not funny in the slightest and as such he failed, however because the audience laughed he was told that he was funny by the judges, even though they then admitted that none of his jokes were funny, its a strange paradox, you’re not funny but people laugh at you, probably because you’re a kid who thinks he’s funny, even though he’s not – this act cannot survive much further beyond his fifteenth birthday as by then the attraction at laughing at a childs jokes will be no longer relevant for Charlie.

Another magic act died a death last night but not because of the magic act, “your magic act is very good” the judges told the husband and wife team (why are all magician acts husband and wife teams ?), but you are rubbish because your wife tries to sing during the act and she cannot sing, she is a rubbish singer, you must leave the stage unless she stops singing – its gripping stuff, the rubbishing of people live on national tv, where will the husband and wife magic act find work in future ?

But two singers went through to the final, at long last the judges stopped sending dancers to the final, stop they cried, for we have enough dancers int he final, we need singers, so they sent a 12 year old girl who sings opera like she was in her fifties and they sent a Scottish plumber to the final who is actually very good but who will not win the final because the 50 year old opera singing midget woman masquerading as a child will win it.

Or a dance act.

So far …

A Dancing pair of Asian Guys
A Dancing Dog
A Dancing Pair of Eight Year Olds
A Dancing Pair of Karate Kids
A Dancing Kid
A Boy Soprano
A Girl Soprano
A Singer who can Sing

25 comments on “The death of the comedian

  1. There are alot of comedians on here! I wouldn’t pay to see anyone make a fool of themselves live :)
    You are right about BGT, its entertaining sometimes.. predictable maybe.. and we all have an OFF Switch.

  2. the 50 year old midget will indeed win. and I had to go and sit in another room when that ‘comedian” kid was on, it was that embarrassing. Judging by his face when the winner was announced he really thought he was going to win too.

    To be honest i can’t believe I’m watching this shit. But i am.

    I would disagree with your statement that the comedian is dead, but certainly old style comedy is very ill. (I also think Bernard Manning was an arse).

    We go to comedy gigs regularly and generally have a great time. Not comedy clubs granted, more the kind of Bill Baily, Sean Hughes level of fame.

    Lucy Porter is doing a benefit gig for the Joseph Salmon trust in October incidentally.

  3. I have to say, I find it difficult to watch these things. It’s very hard when perfectly fine human beings make such fools of themselves…no matter their age, gender, race or whatever….it’s almost as if I’m up there myself being the idiot!! Too painful to watch!! And when the judges are cruel (even if deserved)…….ah….very painful indeed!!!!
    Can’t help but admit though, the line-up here is getting pretty exciting! When will the final be?

  4. The last semi final is tonight and the final (when the girl soprano wins) is tomorrow, saturday.

  5. Comedy ain’t dead. Old-school gagsmiths still get work, Tin Vine for example. I don’t get that political correctness killed the art of telling a joke, merely that overt offensiveness is no longer acceptable. And if that means we’re all institutionally polite to one another, then that’s got to be a good thing. What it’s meant is that comedians have to work a bit harder for material rather than just going for the lowest common denominator that lazy comedy slags like Manning did.

  6. Dan and JD – my point is that the art of stand-up comedian-ship on TV is dead and buried and now almost driven underground into clubs where you pay to go and see them.

    I remember a time when “variety” shows were the norm on TV and contained at least one stand-up comedian on each one, some were even totally dedicated to the art of stand-up comedy – there are none of these TV shows anymore.

    If you wanted your stand-up “live” then you had your pick of dozens, literally dozens and dozens of local WM Clubs where you would, in most cases, get to see a comedian for free and if a cover charge was made it was in the region of a few pence, one pound at most.

    How much does it cost for a night in Jongleurs these days – last year it cost us £20 each to watch two average comedians.

    As for the material – I highly recommend probably the last of the “old school” stand up comedians, Johnny Casson, I’d certainly pay a cover charge to watch him.

  7. TV WILL KILL ITSELF,WITH ALL REPEATS AND NOTHING LIKE GOOD COMEDY WE USED TO GET EVERYONE IS LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES.

  8. I recently watched the DVD The very Best of the Comedians Series One.
    When Ken Goodwin appeared I was stunned. What a buffoon/fool/idiot.
    How he was ever booked anywhere as a comedian beggars belief.
    The funniest thing I could imagine is a someone smacking him so hard on the side of the head that he collapses in a screaming heap. What a useless revolting piece of crap he is/was. Much the same as Michael Jackson I imagine.

  9. warehi – he’s not funny at all now is he ?

    At the time he was one, if not the, country’s highest paid comedian thanks to the show “The Comedians”.

    Its all in context, that sort of humour was in vogue at the time – see also Michael Crawford in “Some Mothers Do ‘Ave ‘Em”, I can still watch it but my kids just think its the stupidest thing on TV and a complete waste of 30 mins.

  10. Ken Goodwin was a very funny comedian – and he was clean! Broke all records when he appeared in panto at Lewisham – and still holds the record.
    Sadly he’s now in a Nursing home suffering from Alzheimers. And a lovely fellah he was too.
    Obviously, not to everyone’s taste – but his popularity showed that the majority found him very funny and talented.

  11. Bob – I agree with your sentiments, by far the most unique and funniest one of The Comedians, like Tommy Cooper and Eric Morecambe it takes a certain kind of comic to make a simple gesture funny, its a gift and very rare to see now.

  12. I recently listened to Roy Hudd being interviewed on the wireless!

    “A Fart in a Colander” its all there!

    psss Love the snow :)

  13. Roy Hudd is great on the radio, he was on Parkinsons Sunday show once and they couldn’t get rid of him or stop him talking about the music hall comedians.

  14. …and for some strange reason, this 18 month old post still gets the biggest number of hits on this blog most weeks, Ken Goodwin being the most searched for term on this blog…

  15. We all have our own views on Comedy . One man’s joke is someone elses Funeral ! I believe many modern “comedians” are poor , relying on foul language , or jokes about bodily functions , which are not funny . People have paid good money to listen to rubbish , and they laugh because otherwise they are admitting that they are paying to listen to rubbish . It’s time audiences woke up to the fact that there are very few really funny people on stage. Ken Goodwin was very funny in his own style . I never saw an audience with guns pointed at them in order to make them laugh. We found him funny , and he suited the time . Who will remember many modern comedians in 5 years time . Quality lasts , rubbish is taken away and dumped!

  16. There is only one comedian that I can watch do the same routine over and over – Billy Connolly.

    Ken Goodwin was something special though.

  17. Really glad I have come in on this. Ken Goodwin was a classic!!

    I recall about 1968 watching an English TV show beamed live from a variety hall. It was on every week and I found it totally boring!! Then one week this comedian comes on in the middle of the show and brought the house down and had me rolling around the floor – it was Ken Goodwin. What a genius!!

    The genius of Ken was not just that he had no end of insane jokes/stories, but it was the method of the delivery. He projected the image of a simple guy, who was embarrased to be on stage, would start stuttering some lines/stories out, and then when the audience laughed insanely, would laugh with them because he did not underatand the joke. Hence the “settle down now” – meaning “I can’t see what you are laughing at!”. A brilliant delivery concept.

    I still remember to this day some of his stupid jokes/stories from that show, including.

    “The first teacher I ever had was cross-eyed (big pause). She had to give teaching away because she couldn’t keep her pupils under control”.

    Ken was a genius!

  18. The Variety Hall show will have been “The Good Old Days” filmed at the City Varieties Leeds, the city from which I type this !

    Its one of only a handful of small Edwardian Variety theatres which existed not to show grand plays and performances but to entertain the working class masses on a nightly basis with several acts on the bill each night – the theatre itself is almost ready for re-opening after a massive renovation programme to remove a lot of later alterations and restore it back to its Edwardian (1900s) roots.

    Ken Goodwin – unique in comedy history.

  19. Yes Jerry – that was the show. I couldn’t remember its name when I posted last night. All the audience were dressed in 1800s clothing, and the theatre had balconies (boxes) either side of the stage.

    I think we both agree. Ken Goodwin is unique in terms of his style of delivery. So was Tommy Cooper from that era. Who would have thought a big bloke with over grown hair, wearing a suit and a Fez, and getting all his tricks wrong, could be so funny. But Tommy delivered!!! Tommy’s style was unique too – as is Billy Connolly’s.

    I spent 4 happy years at Leeds University in the late 60s, early 70s, before emigrating to Australia in 1972. Am a Liverpool lad, with a scouse sense of humour, and an Everton tragic.

    Agree with comments in the earlier part of this thread, that TV must have made the life of the stand up comedian very difficult. They had honed their delivery skills to perfection by working the clubs in England, but sourcing enough good material after TV must have been a nightmare for them.

  20. Thanks for making me smile today :)

  21. In Australia that pestiferous concept called pc has gone mad. Greeks are sometimes termed ‘wogs’ in Australia and we have an Australia comedian here of Greek ethnicity who has complained about the ridiculous situation where he, a Greek, cannot tell a ‘wog’ joke.

    In the UK, Frank CARSON, an Irishman, has also complained that he gets in trouble for telling ‘paddy’ jokes. He says that those who laugh the loudest at jokes about the inferred stupidity and ecentricity of the Irish are the Irish.

    Mel BROOKES is a Jew and look at some of the Hebrew humour he has unleashed. He has even dressed up as HITLER.

    I knew a chap here some year ago who was part Aboriginal and he told me ‘blackfellah’ jokes so funny, complete with acent, that my sides ached. Some may say it’s acceptable to laugh at your own ethnicity but, as is seen in my first paragraph, a Greek cannot laugh at a Greek.

    This world is really in need of an enema and as they say about palm trees and flowers:

    “With fronds like that who needs anemones”?

  22. The only reason that “The Comedians” is not repeated on countless TV channels is that there is barely five minutes of air time left to show now after you have removed anything that will offend anyone at all.

    Some comedy is supposed to be offensive – some people don’t understand that.

  23. You know what is the most sad, sad thing about all the wannabees who queue endlessly to get an audition in one or other of the talent shows? When asked why they do it, almost without exception they say ” I want to be famous” or “I want people to hear me sing” or “It’s all I ever wanted to do” or ” I think I have what it takes”.. Not one of the miserable, self centred, selfish persons ever say they want entertain people, to make people laugh or have a good time. That’s why guys like Ken Goodwin and Frank Carson are a disappearing breed1 God bless them all.

  24. I saw Ken in pantomime at Lewisham and he was brilliant.He was already booked to appear prior to being made famous by his appearance on the Comedians
    He had a style of his own.I will always remember him looking slightly down,slightly to
    the left and remarking “Im too good for this place” I don’t think now you are in heaven
    due to PC, the almighty will appreciate you saying it there though
    Rest in peace Ken and enjoy the company of all the rest of the real comedians that got there before you

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